The Hockey Stick vs. Ice Core Data
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curtisbadour
I don’t recommend either Venus or Mercury for holidays!
From memory of a BBC TV programme
When the Russians were making a follow-up Venus probe, they subjected the probe to the prevailing atmospheric conditions and after the test, the only things remaining were the lenses. The rest of the probe had disappeared!
Thanks for that info. I never though that Mercury would actually be colder than Venus.
It just goes to show that even to a global warming ’supporter’ (I don’t support the warming of the Earth) the effects of green house gases on the planet Venus were not yet completely realized.
ScrantonP
‘venus is closer to the sun than earth’, but Mercury is closer than Venus, yet Venus is hotter than Mercury!
Mercury: The temperature on the planet may reach 840 degrees F (450 degrees C) during the day. But at night, the temperature may drop as low as -275 degrees F (-170 degrees C)
Venus: However, the temperature of the planet’s surface is about 870 degrees F (465 degrees C), higher than that of any other planet and hotter than most ovens
Source: NASA
Explain that without CO2!
TelfLad
‘venus is closer to the sun than earth’, but Mercury is closer than Venus, yet Venus is hotter than Mercury!
Mercury: The temperature on the planet may reach 840 degrees F (450 degrees C) during the day. But at night, the temperature may drop as low as -275 degrees F (-170 degrees C)
Venus: However, the temperature of the planet’s surface is about 870 degrees F (465 degrees C), higher than that of any other planet and hotter than most ovens
Source: NASA
Explain that without CO2!
Venus is 30% closer to a ball of hydrogen and helium that is the size of 109 Earths that generates a tempature of 5,510 °C. Can’t be that…
Temperature is not as much the issue as carbon in the atmosphere. The million dollar question seems to be if there is a connection to that and temp. Temp has many variables and carbon (according to most climatologists) is a variable. Whether global warming is related or not, our burning of fossil fuels does pollute the atmosphere which leads to many issues like ocean acidification bleaching coral. We have to push to get beyond burning stuff to meet the energy needs of 7 billion humans.
I can’t comment exactly, being a bored student with too much time. However, the second graph you present, shows a medieval warm period much larger than many others of a similar nature. Depending on the climate proxy you use, the medieval warm period varies greatly. Could you possibly have selected a graph that supports your argument?
@Capnwabbit
Exactly, Venus is the result of a runaway greenhouse affect. Now it’s unlivable.
@salbrismind venus is closer to the sun than earth hurp a durp
Back @ Sal’ – Venus, as well as being closer to the sun, has an atmosphere almost 100 x as dense as Earth, most of which is CO2. Compare that to Earth’s CO2 which is less than 1% (a lot less) of our atmosphere. Mankind’s contribution to that piddling amount is tiny in itself. We could double or halve our CO2 release and it’s debatable if the planet would notice – and would probably have to wait a few thousand years to find out. The idea we affect climate is doubtful, that we control it is farce
@Capnwabbit
Ask the animals on Venus if they like their 461.85C surface temperature. Guess what it has most of in it’s atmosphere? Carbon Dioxide.
The relationship between weather and water vapor is complex. E.g., clouds reflect sunlight, but also prevent heat from being radiated from tthe ground into space. The balance may depend upon the relative cloudiness of day, as opposed to night. Further, condensation of water vapor releases energy. This is why the dew point generally sets the low for the day. So cloud formation releases energy that may be radiated into space or back to the ground.
You are right about now, with the hurricanes. But water is getting very slow warmer, so it will take some years before it will get above the 26. And your statement that it’s a mild period is right. But now watch the video, you will see that we are in a relative cold period if you compare it with a few 100 years ago, so ocean temps were a few 100 years ago higher than now. That shows why we are in a mild period of hurricanes. So it’s very possible that there will be an increase in storms if >temp
My point was, if warmer climate causes a run-away greenhous effect due to increasingwater vapor, why is there no evidence for this happening the past? Unless you deny the medieval warm period, etc. For which there is ample evidence.
Again,, the relationship between water vapor and temperature is not simple.
How do we even know what too much is? We DO know that increasing CO2 increase the abundance of plant (and thus animal) life. Most of Europe used to be forest – where’d the CO2 come from? Where’d it go? Seems to me we’re just releasing again what used to be there – and a very tiny rate compared to what nature can do all by itself. As for hurricanes, there’s no proof of any significant change, in fact we’re in a mild period – only that so many live close to the coast now makes it dramatic.
Yep, I now live on Borneo, very humid and hot due to high sun (right on the equator) plus a lot of cloud – but that’s low cloud. Higher clouds reflect heat out before it can get trapped. Bottom line, the computer models do not, and probably never will be able to, accurately model water vapor and cloud formation, let alone height, density and coloration. These bozos are making it up as they go along, and been caught at it too – and yet still deman we believe their faux ‘consensus’? One word – No.
Yeah I kow all living stuff on earth is carbon based… but does that mean too much CO2 is okay? If we out reach the capicity of the trees and plants… ai that hurts pretty much for the enviremont doesn’t it? But beside that, what is your idea for blocking floods or a second Katrina like storm, which will get more frequent if it get’s warmer. (ocean temp. > 26 celc. -> hurricane. Where does the government gets the money from to repair the dammage, your wallets.
Prevent is better than repair!
In the morning cloudless days are colder
. Try to invert your way of thinking. Heat can get trapped between the clouds and the earth. But your way of thinking is right too, just wanted to comment 
CO2 is not a pollutant, in fact all life on Earth is carbon-based. Would you prefer a cold dead planet? When we add billions of dollars to fund climate change research, what the hell do you think is gonna happen? That’s right, we get “climate change!!!”, as though that’s something new? Keep your socialist taxation and enforced poverty to yourself and we can remain friends. Keep pushing this bullshit while trying to force others to live like underfed vegetarians and we aint.
The seas are by far the biggest heatsink, taking hundreds of years to cool or warm, suggesting any current warming probably started a very long time ago, long before man’s CO2 release. Yes, climate is different from weather, but climate is merely weather on a macro scale, same as “society” is made of individuals. If we are to look at large scales, try hundreds of thousands of years, where our “warming” is very minor indeed. Oh, and CO2 lags behind temp’ increases, so hardly a climate driver
@Capnwabbit
Weather is different then climate. Green house gases help to keep the whole Earth warmer, but you won’t feel the effect right away. I’m not sure if you know this, but the ground is not the only heat sink on Earth, their is the ocean, and the atmosphere it self.
Salbrismind, how about clouds, that reflect the light and heat back out again? Question, do you feel hotter on cloudy or cloudless days?
hmmsearching for a person who will act like a man when the time is right!
calm down! you are so angry at me and all i said is i like sex
Feel free to be the first to open up and empty your checkbook for this noble cause. Find like-minded others to do the same. With the internet as a communications tool, it should be a snap.
Please, save the planet if you are afraid.